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Has anybody got info on the flow rate and pressure of the power steering pump for the Jag 420 which has the oil reservoir and pump built as one unit.


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The Saginaw pump used with the Varamatic steering on the 420 typically ran at +- 1200 psi. No idea of flow rate. Never seen it quoted.
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Thanks for the reply , I had wrongly assumed that the pump was a Different model of the Holbourn Eaton pumps.


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No ~ The Varamatic pump with integrated reservoir as used on the 420, 420G was a Saginaw.
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Glyn I have seen this type of pump you are calling a Saginaw on the 420. It is bolted to the side of the engine over the top of the distributor and is powered by a belt coming off the water pump. Makes getting to the top of the distributor cap a bitch of a job. The pump sits below the reservoir. Are you sure that this was fitted to the later S Types. As you know mine is quite a late Sept 1967 manufactured car and I have the old Eaton pump off the back of the Generator.
I believe this Saginaw pump was fitted as the 420 was negative earth and had an alternator fitted without the takeoff on the back for the Eaton PAS pump. The S Type was still Positive earth and running off the generator up to the end of production as I believe. I have not seen any manuals stating the S Type was converted to Negative earth, fitted with an alternator or this PAS system at the very end from factory but am willing to be educated.
Attached are a couple of photos of the 420 PAS pump and where it is fitted on the 420 engine.
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I tend to agree with Cass3958.
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cass3958 wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:19 pm Glyn I have seen this type of pump you are calling a Saginaw on the 420. It is bolted to the side of the engine over the top of the distributor and is powered by a belt coming off the water pump. Makes getting to the top of the distributor cap a bitch of a job. The pump sits below the reservoir. Are you sure that this was fitted to the later S Types. As you know mine is quite a late Sept 1967 manufactured car and I have the old Eaton pump off the back of the Generator.
I believe this Saginaw pump was fitted as the 420 was negative earth and had an alternator fitted without the takeoff on the back for the Eaton PAS pump. The S Type was still Positive earth and running off the generator up to the end of production as I believe. I have not seen any manuals stating the S Type was converted to Negative earth, fitted with an alternator or this PAS system at the very end from factory but am willing to be educated.
Attached are a couple of photos of the 420 PAS pump and where it is fitted on the 420 engine.
My bad Rob ~ you are correct. That is a Saginaw. The last S Types used a Hobourn Eaton with Varamatic. 420, Daimler Sovereign, 420G used an American made Saginaw pump with rest of the Varamatic built under license by Adwest from Bendix Corp. I have corrected.

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Thanks but know that you have edited and corrected your post Glyn mine does not make sense anymore. lol. I was not trying to correct you I was merely making a suggestion and trying to clarify your comment as I thought you knew better.lol.
With the knowledge we have on this forum I was sure we would get the correct answer eventually. Thank you again.
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Your comment still makes sense as I say I've corrected. Please correct me if you notice errors or query me if you think I'm wrong. I make mistakes like all of us. I'm not the sensitive type. I should have thought more clearly about my reply. I thought one of my James Taylor books had mentioned a very late change but I've checked & I was wrong. Should have checked before responding.
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