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Re: Lumpy tick over.

by DevilDog » Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:24 pm

Glad you got it fixed....nice job. Good history here....

Re: Lumpy tick over.

by jonesdl » Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:59 pm

A good result then Rob, well worth paying out to get properly sorted, an interesting post to remember.
Cheers
Dave J.

Re: Lumpy tick over.

by cass3958 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:55 am

Got the car back yesterday from the garage after they had sorted out the valve clearances. So much quieter. I had measured the clearances at 10 and 12 but when they checked it properly one of the exhaust valves was at 16 thou. All adjusted back to 4 and 6 as factory and it is so quiet that I can stand at the side of the car and hear the exhaust noise over the top of the engine noise. Problem is the exhaust noise is half way along the car so a slight leak on one of the joints I fear I am going to have to seal up.
Vacuum all sorted. No leaks that I could find in the tanks but I did find a kink in the one of the pipes by the vacuum tank which could have been the cause. This has been changed and it runs really smooth on tick over now.

Re: Lumpy tick over.

by cass3958 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:47 pm

Dave my valve clearances at the moment are 10 on the inlet and 12 on the exhaust across all six cylinders which I think are too big so the car is going back in next week hopefully to have them re shimmed to being closer to factory settings which are 4 on inlet and 6 on exhaust.

Re: Lumpy tick over.

by jonesdl » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:40 pm

Blimey Rob I would never have thought of a vacuum leak would cause the tick over problem, an interesting post to remember. It will be of interest to see if your tappet clearances are out also when they are done.
Cheers
Dave J.

Re: Lumpy tick over.

by johngosnell » Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:47 am

I know it is a bit off topic but many years ago a rover that I had would play up , miss fire go very lumpy and I spent a fortune trying to get it fixed and after replacing the dizzy I found that the rotor arm on the old dizzy had a loose pick up which caused the misfire after the car was driven a while after heating up.


So Pleased the problem has been located, it shows how hard these issues can be


Regards John

1B1257BW

Re: Lumpy tick over.

by cass3958 » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:55 pm

Initially I did have a problem with one and two but once I had sorted the electrics and re-tuned the carbs it isolated just to number one. Weather here today is a real storm and tomorrow I am busy working so it will have to be Monday before I get around to chasing the leak.

Re: Lumpy tick over.

by Glyn Ruck » Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:14 pm

Argh! something as simple as a vacuum leak. We always go chasing the complicated things first. Pleased for your sake that it's diagnosed & minor Rob.

I'm a little surprised it did not affect the adjacent cylinder as well on the B Type head but we live & learn. It does seem that you hand more than one thing wrong initially so cleaning up the ignition system etc. has not been in vain.

My car has just sprung a minor diff oil leak. Not as yet diagnosed from where. Was properly rebuilt with correct mesh & pinion bearing preload & new seals. Dead quiet. Hope it's not a sideshaft seal. Pinion seal can be done in situ.

2% seal swell additive addition to the oil will be my first attempt to fix.

Re: Lumpy tick over.

by cass3958 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:25 pm

So the car went in on Wednesday for the tappet shims to be adjusted. Got a phone call today asking me to pop in to speak to them. Sounded ominous and expensive.
Called in at the garage and they have not even started the shims yet but I had said I wanted the car back for the weekend as I have a big wedding fayre on Sunday.
What they had done though was worked out why the car was running lumpy and not firing on cylinder one. Nothing to do with electrics or carberation! No transpires the problem is to do with the Vacuum system for the brakes !!!!!!!!!!!! Yep you read it right the Brakes.

The vacuum take off is on the inlet manifold by cylinder number one. I seem to have a leak somewhere in the system which is allowing more air in to cylinder one than fuel and although I have a spark the air mixture is so weak it will not combust. They disconnected the line from the reservoir tank and plumbed it direct via the T piece to the brake servo and hey ho smooth running engine. They did not have time to go further as I wanted the car back so I will have a look myself tomorrow. Could be a leak in the reservoir tank or the non return valve is knackered so the tank is not holding a vacuum. I have noticed that my scuttle used to open straight away but also used to close straight away when I switched the engine off but now they have bypassed the brake reservoir tank it stays open for a lot longer when I switch off.
I will get out there tomorrow with my vacuum tester and check the system out.
Got to book the car back in next week for the shims to be done.

Re: Lumpy tick over.

by cass3958 » Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:47 pm

Thanks for all the advice guys. Got the carbs back on as a pair and set them all up. No leaks first time around. Fired the engine up and still no combustion on 1. Changed the rotor arm then the dizzy cap and the same result so it is definitely not electric. The carbs are running really well and the suction on both is 100% better than it was before and if I cover either carb with my hand the engine tries to die so both carbs are running well and balanced. Not a carb problem.
The garage I have booked the car in to to have the tappets done is a Jaguar and Aston Martin specialised so I decided to give them a call for some technical advice.After explaining what was wrong and what I had done to try and resolve it the guy scratched his head and said I had basically done everything they would have done. The only thing he could think of and is my thought as well is that the valve clearance on one is not allowing the valve to open to allow the air/fuel mixture in on tickover as the cylinder does fire up when the revs are increased.
So the car is going in on the 23rd for the tappets to be re-shimmed and we will see if this sorts it out. If not they will do some more tests but I can see this is going to cost me. If they can diagnose the problem I can fix it I just need to know what is going on here.

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