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Re: PAS pump removal

by RollyTG » Sat May 01, 2021 6:25 pm

This will be our first indoor club event in over a year. We have had a few outdoor picnic gatherings to keep in touch. Virtually all of our club members are now fully vaccinated and local infections are way down so we are confident we can safely meet indoors and the restaurant has a separate room and early opening for us. It will be fun to do something "normal" again. Hope your good luck with the wedding weather continues.

Re: PAS pump removal

by cass3958 » Sat May 01, 2021 6:12 pm

Good to hear the progress report. Hope the old girl runs well for you when you attend the meet. Nothing happening here in the UK. All the the major classic car shows have been cancelled well in advance for this summer as we still don't know if Covid restrictions will be lifted in time. The weddings are starting to come in though and I have been out twice now with my car at weddings. Both sunny days and nice people so all good on that front.

Re: PAS pump removal

by RollyTG » Sat May 01, 2021 6:02 pm

Final update on this job. It's done. Generator and PAS pump back in and both working. Two new engine mounts as a bonus. Following JCS's advice i had the generator mount nuts welded onto the bracket and was able to install the pump and generator as a unit, which made the job much easier. I also replaced the fan belt - another learning experience. Hopefully I will never have to do that by the roadside, at night, in the rain - or in bright sunshine for that matter. I really appreciate all the advice I am getting from the good folks on here. I am now ready to put the bonnet back on and start doing some proper test driving. There's even a car club meeting in two weeks that is close to home so the old girl might make her first public appearance. :D

Re: PAS pump removal

by RollyTG » Sun Apr 25, 2021 1:23 pm

Next time will be easier given the learning experience. Some kind of lift arrangement is definitely in my future.

Re: PAS pump removal

by cass3958 » Sun Apr 25, 2021 8:39 am

RollyTG wrote: Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:05 pm They were in very bad condition and one of them separated as I was unbolting it. The left side mount was quite easy but right was really difficult, even after I removed the distributor. Not something I want to do again that's for sure.
As I said earlier one of mine separated and sent the engine fan through the back of the radiator so worth checking as changing as a service item every couple of years.
As for changing the mounts I did mine from under the car. Yes the bolts on the right side are hard to get to but once they were released I jacked the bottom of the engine up with a chunk of wood under the sump just far enough for the old mounts to be slid out and the new mounts to be slid in. The engine was lowered back on to the mounts with the bolts put in as locators and then tightened up with the full weight of the engine back on them. It sounds easy but then I do have a small hydraulic ramp so I can lift the car to about 1.5 meters which allows easy access to the underside of the car.

Re: PAS pump removal

by RollyTG » Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:05 pm

Update on this issue. Thanks to the advice of two helpful member i now have two shiny new engine mounts. Picture. They were in very bad condition and one of them separated as I was unbolting it. I also welded nuts onto my dynamo bracket to make removal and refitting easier. Thanks gents. The left side mount was quite easy but right was really difficult, even after I removed the distributor. Not something I want to do again that's for sure.

I am now ready to replace the main seal in the power steering pump but I am not 100% sure that the seal supplied by Barratts is exactly the right size. It seems that the outer diameter is a tad small, but it looks like the hole is tapered somewhat so maybe it will fit tightly when pressed all the way in. Any advice on that welcome.
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Re: PAS pump removal

by RollyTG » Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:35 pm

Thanks for all that great advice. I need all I can get. Did you work in Jaguar service?

Re: PAS pump removal

by JCS » Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:10 am

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Re: PAS pump removal

by JCS » Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:03 am

RollyTG

You have probably gone by the point of return, but you might want to consider the following mods that we used over 50 years ago on XK engines. I am afraid it’s from memory :-

Firstly, the fan belt loading caused Jaguar to use an automatic belt tensioner and a multi vee belt as the loadings started to rise. The increased electrical loads and more efficient water pumps and fans for example, placed that single belt drive on its limits, particularly in bad weather at night. Along came the alternators in the mid 60’s and belt problems rocketed……..we now see a repeat of that exercise taking place.

If you have not yet had the broken “Jaguar Fan Belt” experience you need to be ready, it always happens on a cold, dark, wet night when the amp meter swings to full discharge and the ignition light illuminates.

If you are having trouble mounting the dynamo / alternator and power steering pump think what is going to happen if the engine throws a belt out on the road !!

This is roughly how we made things easier on Jaguar Mk X’s and it translates to the S Type. We changed the three studs that are screwed into the rear dynamo back plate, that is the plate holding the power steering pump. The reason is, those three studs are /were threaded UNC both ends, requiring UNC nuts. If one of these nuts was to be dropped and lost, replacing them is extremely difficult, however UNF nuts are / were easier to obtain. We would therefore adapt three UNC/UNF studs as used on the inlet manifolds, so that all that assembly had UNF nuts.This was more convenient if the PAS pump needed to be detached in situ by a remote garage.

We then modified the lower dynamo bracket (see your images on 27th May) by capturing the dynamo to bracket nuts. Usually that was done by welding the nuts but some were done by drilling and tapping the bracket and nuts, when welding was not available. The term “nuts” I have used, but sometimes we would use small metal blocks, which were easier to weld. Once the nuts were captured it was possible to use set screws at each end to hold the front and rear dynamo brackets, a single spanner/socket operation. This allowed not only easier assembly, we fitted dynamo’s and pumps as one unit, as alignment and access to the two set screws was easy and simple. Not only that, but slacking off the two set screws to allow belt adjustment was a few minutes, one handed, no struggle work.

Set Screw here means shanked bolt not threaded right up to under hex head

Re: PAS pump removal

by cass3958 » Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:32 pm

I have not done a PAS pump yet but I now have three and during the next rainy season I am planning on stripping one down. There is a seal kit on EBay at https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAGUAR-DAIML ... 3075006902

If you are just replacing the seals it should be fairly straight forward but if there is any wear that you find inside finding replacement parts would be very difficult. None of mine leak but my original pump stopped pumping which leads me to believe there is wear inside so that is the one I will strip down first because I am nosey to see why it stopped pumping.

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