1964 3.8s P1B 75089 DN

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Re: 1964 3.8s P1B 75089 DN

by 911kuli » Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:03 pm

I'll try this post again;

Thanks for the PS/Generator information. I checked my PS box and it is not set up for PS. I compared it to my RH parts car and your pictures its not close. I would post pictures of the generator and other stuff, but system boots me out when I try to post with attachments or picture, and the icons for this are not functioning. Received my Heritage Cert. I have a numbers matching car. Original color was Opalescent Golden Sand with Tan interior. I'll figure out how to post pictures later. Good news is I have a matching numbers car including the motor cyl head.

Re: 1964 3.8s P1B 75089 DN

by Glyn Ruck » Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:12 pm

Dynalite example:

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Re: 1964 3.8s P1B 75089 DN

by cass3958 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:04 pm

Sorry Your car is on the register but on the updated version David has rather than the year old version I have. It will be interesting to see what is on the new certificate as the prefix P is definitely for Power Steering but you say your car does not have PAS and does not look as though it has had it removed. Is your car still running Positive Earth with a generator or been converted to Negative Earth with an aftermarket alternator?
Sometimes because the pickup for the PAS System which comes off the back of the old generator when it is converted to an alternator the PAS is removed and a standard steering box fitted. Trying to get a drive for the PAS pump off an alternator up until fairly recently was a challenge but now several firms are selling a C42 generator housing with the insides converted to an alternator which has the original pick up for the PAS on the back.

Re: 1964 3.8s P1B 75089 DN

by Glyn Ruck » Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:30 pm

Then it's typical of a car built for the US market. Also white flasher lights front & all red tail lamps.

Re: 1964 3.8s P1B 75089 DN

by 911kuli » Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:29 pm

Mine has the dummy horns. The parts car had the driving lights still intact, so these will be installed on my car during restoration.

Re: 1964 3.8s P1B 75089 DN

by Glyn Ruck » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:55 pm

It comes as no surprise that an error was made. Nothing gelled.

SA built cars had vinyl headlining with an attractive brush stroke finish. UK built cars had Union Cloth lambswool headlining.

Trust you will get the correct data soon. Out of interest does your car have fog lights fitted or typical US car dummy horn grills fitted

I restored my car to British standard as none of those original materials are available.

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Re: 1964 3.8s P1B 75089 DN

by 911kuli » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:13 pm

Thanks for all the feed back. I had read over the articles regarding CKD cars yesterday and my car certainly didn't fit those description. So went back and checked numbers and went over the car again, multiple times. I asked Jaguar to send me a copy of my application, since - maybe - I gave them a wrong number. Tracy came back with this email this AM;

Tracy Nabbs

4:09 AM (3 hours ago)

to me
Good Morning,

Thank you for your email.

Following your comments, we have again checked the manufacturers build ledger and can confirm that you are correct, when this was first researched the incorrect line was picked up in the ledger. We will process your order and email you a copy as soon as we have completed the research.

We are sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused. Kind regards

Tracy Nabbs
Admin Assistant
Jaguar Daimler Heritage Trust

With that being said, I'll await the certificate. The information on the CKD cars was very interesting. I appreciate everyone's responses.

My car has several things that don't match some of the pictures of similar cars on the web. These things could have been changed by previous owners. I think the factory color was gold. My motors is not set up for power steering and does not appear to have had power steering. The interior headliner material looks to be mohair vs. wool broadcloth typically used.

75089 - is registered with this site. This all started because I was collecting parts from a parts car. Decided to get the Certificate, while I'm at it on 75089. Mainly wanted the wire wheel conversion parts from the parts car for substitution my disc wheels. Then started stripping other bits as I went along. The 3.8s going to the crusher is Car #P1B 54159BW. It is a rusty POS that I paid $500 for - just to pick up the wire wheel hubs and rear end parts, it had no motor or transmission and was very rusty. Really poor quality work done on it in the past. Plus it was hit hard in the front end and repaired poorly. However, taking one apart teaches you a lot about how these cars were put together and I needed that knowledge before I engage restoration on 75089.

Once again, I appreciate everyone's responses. Next up, I'll be checking rear end differential ratios regarding automatic cars and gear box cars.

Re: 1964 3.8s P1B 75089 DN

by 911kuli » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:12 pm

Thanks for all the feed back. I had read over the articles regarding CKD cars yesterday and my car certainly didn't fit those description. So went back and checked numbers and went over the car again, multiple times. I asked Jaguar to send me a copy of my application, since - maybe - I gave them a wrong number. Tracy came back with this email this AM;

Tracy Nabbs

4:09 AM (3 hours ago)

to me
Good Morning,

Thank you for your email.

Following your comments, we have again checked the manufacturers build ledger and can confirm that you are correct, when this was first researched the incorrect line was picked up in the ledger. We will process your order and email you a copy as soon as we have completed the research.

We are sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused. Kind regards

Tracy Nabbs
Admin Assistant
Jaguar Daimler Heritage Trust

With that being said, I'll await the certificate. The information on the CKD cars was very interesting. I appreciate everyone's responses.

My car has several things that don't match some of the pictures of similar cars on the web. These things could have been changed by previous owners. I think the factory color was gold. My motors is not set up for power steering and does not appear to have had power steering. The interior headliner material looks to be mohair vs. wool broadcloth typically used.

75089 - is registered with this site. This all started because I was collecting parts from a parts car. Decided to get the Certificate, while I'm at it on 75089. Mainly wanted the wire wheel conversion parts from the parts car for substitution my disc wheels. Then started stripping other bits as I went along. The 3.8s going to the crusher is Car #P1B 54159BW. It is a rusty POS that I paid $500 for - just to pick up the wire wheel hubs and rear end parts, it had no motor or transmission and was very rusty. Really poor quality work done on it in the past. Plus it was hit hard in the front end and repaired poorly. However, taking one apart teaches you a lot about how these cars were put together and I needed that knowledge before I engage restoration on 75089.

Once again, I appreciate everyone's responses. Next up, I'll be checking rear end differential ratios regarding automatic cars and gear box cars.

Re: 1964 3.8s P1B 75089 DN

by Glyn Ruck » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:33 am

Absolutely & SA cars were CKD (completely knocked down) and not SKD (semi knocked down). You can't take apart a CKD car once it's body is welded up from base panels, brazed & lead wiped. SA assembled a CKD body as Pressed Steel did for Jaguar in the UK. Browns Lane got the bodies complete. We built Mk2's here starting 1960 prior to the S Type & 420's later. We also built the XJ6 Series 1 & 2 here,

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Re: 1964 3.8s P1B 75089 DN

by cass3958 » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:09 pm

Following on from what Glyn has said it would be interesting to see the heritage certificate concerning your car. If you could attach a copy we would be very interested in seeing it.
As I thought before your car predates the CKD factories opening up in South Africa so my assumption would be that it was a special order to get around the taxes that Glyn has mentioned, where your car was manufactured ready for export in the UK being LHD and was then stripped in to large parts, taken across to South Africa and reassembled which is very unusual. Still do not understand why a LHD Jaguar would be exported to a country that uses RHD cars though.

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